I have received alot of great trading advice from Tom, Erich and Rob. The most powerful and important concept I have ever seen is : "Keep it simple" !!!!! The MOST profitable and successful methods are the one's that are the MOST SIMPLE !!!! The more indicators, the more complex.......the less you make [if you make anything at all]. I know from my own trading......simple 5 minute candle stick charts and "S+R" [NO INDICATORS] gets the job done !!!! Steve,